| Interview: Tracking the Other Woolf. Interview with Christopher Ondaatje by Olga Stein
John Fraser, the current Master of Massey College, said that "in Canada, his adopted
home, Christopher Ondaatje is an officially controversial person, much served up in the
media and sometimes dressed down. He elicits both admiration and anger, depending on
what he is up toùhis unpredictability being as fascinating to journalists as his great
success . . . He has made and lost fortunes; in business, he is a gambler of great daring
who can also cut out of the game faster than one of his beloved leopards at full run; he is
remarkably considerate and passionate but he can be as cold-blooded about obtaining or
abandoning goals; he is a generous benefactor, a hard bargainer, and an altruistic
dreamer; he is fickle and a pushover for a wild and chancy scheme that captures his
imagination . . . Most of all, though, I feel beguiled by his complicated passion to reach
out and understand."
These words were taken from Fraser's perceptive introduction to Christopher Ondaatje's
strangely revealing and sometimes painful autobiography The Man-Eater of Punanai,
which dealt with the break-up and decline of his family in post-independent Ceylon (now
Sri Lanka). Since then, Ondaatje, who came to Canada in 1956 after an education in
England and a brief stint in the financial corridors of London, amassed a fortune on Bay
Street, founded and nurtured a fledgling publishing companyùPagurian Pressùinto one
of Canada's fifty most profitable corporate finance companies, and then suddenly, in
1988, sold all of his corporate interests and left Canada for England. There he returned to
his first love, the publishing world. He has written seven books with some success, the
most notable being the two biographies on the life of Sir Richard Burton, the Victorian
explorer (Sindh Revisited and Journey to the Source of the Nile). Woolf in Ceylon is
perhaps Ondaatje's most ambitious work. In this, his eighth and he says final book, he
has combined exploration, biography and literary criticism. He examines a hitherto
misunderstood giant of the Victorian literary world, Leonard Woolf, and his career as a
civil servant in Ceylon.
Drawing on his own personal experience of Ceylon and Empire, Ondaatje compares the
way of life during imperial days with that of the post-colonial era. A careful reading
reveals a number of unique similarities between the two men, Woolf and Ondaatje; both
are "outsiders" who gave up their careers to pursue literature and intellectual
achievement. In an exclusive Canadian interview Books in Canada talked to Christopher
Ondaatje about his new book.
Olga Stein: Generally one is driven to research and write about a person because one
identifies with important aspects of his or her life. You, for example, were born into a
well-to-do-family like Leonard Woolf, whose father was a successful Barrister in
London. Your childhood was spent on a tea plantation in Ceylon. Yet both you and
Woolf were forced to fend for yourselves when you were mere adolescents. Your
families lost their wealthùWoolf's because his father died at the age of forty-two, and
you because the family business ground to a halt once Ceylon gained its independence.
Would you say that these similarities stirred in you some profound recognition and
directed you in the writing of this book?
Christopher Ondaatje: I don't think there is any doubt that, first, my background
compelled me to live the life I led with the ambition circumstance forced on me; and,
second, that Woolf's background caused me to understand and identify with Woolf to a
point where I felt I could write this book. I don't think many authors could have tackled
it. You would have had to have lived the life of frustration, have ambition, and also have
both the Ceylon and English experience.
BiC: In your Introduction you write that when Woolf first arrived in Ceylon, he was an
"unconscious imperialist". Later he would develop anti-imperialist feelings because of
his experience living and working among the Ceylonese. You also say that you share
many of the conflicting emotions Woolf developed towards his work "governing" the
Ceylonese and towards the realities of British colonialism. How did your own view of
colonialism evolve as you matured intellectually beyond simply taking British
imperialism for granted?
CO: Growing up in a prosperous colonial environment it was impossible not to take
imperialism for granted. Woolf used it as his passport to Ceylon; and I used it as my
passport to England, public school, and even my entry into the City of London. It is only
as you grow older and mature intellectually that you realise that there is another side to
the coin. Many people never realise this. Eventually (as is the case with Woolf) I did
something about it. I gave something back.
BiC: You were sent to Britain as a school boy to get a proper education. What was that
like? I ask because you write that Woolf never felt that he belonged in St Pauls School
(even though he won a scholarship to go there, which paid for an education his family
wouldn't otherwise have been able to afford). He forced himself to fit in, but it never
changed the basic fact that he felt like an outsider. How does that resonate with your own
experience of living in Britain?
CO: Woolf went to St Pauls School in Londonùand (as he says) always felt like an
outsider. But St Pauls is a very good school and Woolf used it as a stepping stone to get
into Trinity College, Cambridge. He was a very lucky boy. I was lucky too. I was sent
to Blundell's Schoolùalso a good school in Devon. I was an outsider tooùbut in my
case my ambition (I was entirely alone) made me realise that I had to make Blundell's
work for me. It was the only chance I hadùeducation, England, stepping up in the world
etc. So I made it work, and it was also my "home"ùan important thing that was different
from Woolf. He was in England and at home. Blundell's became my security blanket,
and even though I couldn't afford to go to Oxford or Cambridge (which
I craved) I made the best of what I was given. I shudder to think where I would be if I
didn't have my Blundell's education. It taught me to think for myself.
However I do know what it is to be an outsider. Woolf was intensely conscious of his
Jewish origins on both sides of his familyùjust as I am intensely conscious of my own
Protestant Dutch-burgher origin in Ceylon. I was an "outsider" at an English public
school (obviously foreign), an "outsider" in the City of London; and an "outsider" in
Canada where I had to cut a swath through Bay Street and the publishing world. It's only
now, with the knighthood and literary success in England (unlike the business success in
Canada) that I am more accepted and much more a part of the literary and art world.
BiC: You state that "one can discern the outline of Woolf's work and attitudes in Ceylon:
a dislike of injustice and the decisiveness and courage to act against it, combined with a
certain insensitivity bordering on arrogance and ruthlessness. He undoubtedly was a
intellectual, but he was also an intensely practical man." I understand that these qualities
shaped his career as a civil servant, but how are they reflected in his literary interests, or,
for that matter, in his decision to marry Virginia Woolf, a person who not only
overshadowed Leonard's talents, but complicated his life in a myriad other ways?
CO: Woolf was an intensely practical man. He loved Virginia. But there is little doubt in
my mind that his marriage to Virginia helped enormously. She was very much part of the
literary eliteùthe circle he coveted. Virginia was his entrance ticket. He chose this
literary (and social) career over that of a more mundane civil service career in the
colonies. (In the end I did the same when I chucked in the power and adulation of finance
for the world of exploration and writing. Even though the financial rewards were less,
other achievements were far more stimulating.) Woolf too gave back much more than he
took. He was the backbone of the Bloomsbury set, and Hogarth Press made a lot of
things happen which might not have happened.
Woolf valued intellectual probity. Quentin Bell says that this was one of his grand
characteristics. I agree. He also said that Woolf, both as a novelist and as a politician,
was inhibited by his own honesty. Again I agree. I think it would have been impossible
for Woolf, as Virginia Woolf's husband, to have written the novels that we know he was
capable of. The Village in the Jungle is a minor classic; but it is only (after Virginia
died) when he wrote his incredible 5-volume autobiography, that he really showed his
literary genius. Until that time he had Virginia, Hogarth Press and the Labour Party as
his main responsibilities. He was a very responsible man. You could lean on himùand
many did. In the end the long hours at home with Virginia, in the publishing office, and
in the political committee rooms, bore some recognised fruit.
"What a life he has led," said E M Forster, "and how well he has led it." Of how many
people can we say this? He was a most remarkable man.
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